Last night I was contemplating about CFD (Cranial Facial Dystrophy) and it occurred to me the necessity to shorten the mid face, to add more dimensions to the face that can affect the eyes, nose, cheeks and all things that make up our face.
It’s just using common sense, if the maxilla has elongated, then you have less bone to work with for eye support, palate size, cheeks, etc, etc
I went to a wedding over the weekend, and the girls that were beautiful, I realized the most stand out feature they had over others was the shortness of their mid face. That was the one clear difference that separated them. With makeup that can accentuate the eyes & cheekbones, and the fact most people now have straight teeth because they had braces already, most can replicate those features to today’s standard of beauty, yet the human eyes can judge someone that can land on a cover of magazine versus one that cannot.
A short mid face is the one thing that can’t be replicated by cosmetics.
Above is Taylor Hill, a Victoria secret model, what becomes the defining difference with these model faces when compared to the rest of population is not shape of their facial features or even how much further forward her maxilla is, but how short the face is.
I understand now why in Asia, they equate facial beauty to small faces.
I sort of always knew that maxilla needs to shorten, or the length of my mid face was the biggest issue, but even asking Mike Mew and others, no one really knows whether its even possible to shorten it in adults, once the face has elongated. Yes you can make improvements by palate expansion but to really reverse the damage & move toward genetic potential, the maxilla has to pretty much change shape altogether.
We know that the bone can remodel at late age and get longer, but its not yet clear if the bone can “shorten”.
I feel I’ve seen some shortening than say 3 years ago, but I still have a long ways to go.
Some professionals I’ve spoken to in the past has theorized that its much more difficult to “shorten” bone than to lengthen it. It does seem true but I do not know from what data they have come up with that conclusion.
I thought about building stronger jaw muscle and keeping the jaws shut might be the way to shorten the mid face, also bio bloc stage 3 that keeps the jaws shut all night does seem to work as well but last night for whatever reason I started to wonder if head posture had anything to do with it.
Because I still notice I am tilting my head back slightly more often than not because of CFD if I keep true up right head posture, my lower jaw turns into recessed appearance. Which I know to be the true appearance, but in public to present a more normal appearance, the head is tilted back so the lower jaw can come forwards.
But I started to wonder if this posture had affect on the shapes of the bones in the face as surely the head being tilted back is going to put different gravitational forces than a head up right.
Head held up right is going to put the force more forwards, which could potentially help the maxilla shortening process because as the lower jaw drives upwards, the weight of the head is going down to meet it. Where as a head tilted back, more force is going towards the back of the head, towards the occipital bone. You can test this yourself but feeling the difference when you tilt your head back versus keep the head upright, lifting the occipital, with chin tuck.
And just like when a fighter takes a punch as he/she is going into the punch is much more devastating because of the collision of opposing forces, it too may apply here.
So I started playing with this idea, then I remembered few months back this person called Falooda, in the comments mentioned that he thought the most important factor for facial beauty is head posture.
After reviewing what he said this morning more closely, This might be a huge key that’s been over looked.
Here’s his comments
after doing lot of research and my own experience that the beauty of face depends entirely on head posture. in forward head posture some muscles lengthen and some shorten and so the lower jaw position changes.if one bends head downwards lower jaw goes back or retrudes and face changes middle face becomes short forehead lengthens. similarly if one lifts head upwards middle face elongates and forehead shortens changing your face .you can try it for yourself . you can see changes within days or even minutes. the most important thing in doing so is after inhaling just relax your jaw muscles and all other muscles during exhale while keeping the mouth closed and teeth touching slightly. when i do this i can feel some muscles in my jaw and temple or forehead region tighten and some getting stretched . after few minutes my face changes entirely . the biggest factor aging of face is muscles contracture or shortening of some muscle and lengthening of other simultaneously.
again the main factor is no forward head posture and head in a neutral position.
push your head back . stand against a wall with back of feet , shoulder blades and back of head touching the wall and look straight .
and relaxing the muscles especially head , forehead muscles is very important.
believe me you will see changes within few minutes
“bones dont remodel that fast as you are claiming . it is all about muscle length changes and lower jaw position which changes”
this is the link below from which i learned a lot and form which i got inspired and experimented . i dont know if i interpreterd and understood this properly.
here you can see for yourself
http://www.portlandtmjclinic.com/tmj-disorders/the-role-of-body-posture
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What he states is very interesting, because I do have a long mid face and I definitely have the head tilted back posture most of my life.
The link he provided also offers very interesting insights, such as:
“When muscles have been held tight for long periods of time, they shorten anatomically and acquire a decreased resting length in a process known as contracture.”
This explains why some people have hard time keeping their mouth closed at night while others can sleep on their backs just fine and the mouth stays closed.
(side note: few months ago I went on a trip to Europe, and watch in bit of amazement as my friend slept upright sitting on a plane and was able to keep his jaws closed, while my other friend the jaws came apart (the other friend with more elongated face), but I was stumbled on the fact that its not like my friend that was keeping his jaws closed chewed gum all the time or anything, and me despite chewing gum often, have been told that my jaw came apart sitting up right.)
Which brings me to a new understanding:
Its not about the strength of jaw muscles, but its the length that matters.
The short jaw muscle seem to be dependent on having proper head posture.
Another great paragraph:
“Muscles far from the source may be affected, because the postural muscles function as members of long myofascial chains running up and down the length of the body. A change in the resting length of one muscle affects all the muscles in the chain. Forward head posture can upset the balance between the chains of postural muscles on the front and back of the body and thereby lead to the loss of a single central upright resting posture. Subsequently the muscles and bones no longer fit perfectly together in a weight-bearing stance that allows them to rest simultaneously. They may avoid discomfort by frequently shifting stances such as rocking back and forth to alter the muscle groups receiving the strain. “
I believe this might be explaining my situation well, I used to always shift my body in different postures because one posture would begin to ache. My body posture was never good, and its possible that this all stemmed from prolonged open jaw posture, & lengthened jaw muscles.
The article also explains that the muscles also lengthen and change sizes in asymmetrical ways.
And this could very well explain for the biggest reason why faces become less symmetrical, its the whole muscular system of the body becoming more asymmetric & unbalanced.
So for example, look at Taylor Hill’s body posture, The head is postured nicely, straight over the shoulders as it should be. Her shoulders are even and the body generally looks pretty straight and even.
This might be a big key because I can’t even do the upright head posture without losing my chin completely which means I’m never doing it in public or normally, so my head is always tilted back, even if its slightly.
In the last 12 hours or so since I’ve been really fixing my head posture, I’m already noticing subtle differences to my face as well.
If Falooda or anyone in the comments can explain in more detail exactly which muscles in the face is lengthening / shortening with the different head posture and the mechanics behind that, I would love to hear / learn more about this.
I never thought about the possibility of muscles in the face shortening and lengthening due to head posture.
But it seems very plausible that bad head posture, alone can begin to alter the muscle length in the face, when you look at how connected all the muscles in the face are to the neck muscles and to the entire body.
Is it more accurate to say that Taylor Hill should thank her balanced musculature that comes from her great posture for her looks than anything else?
how much she chewed as a child, or how great her tongue posture is, might only be secondary factors.
I’m open to explore this further but I also know the importance of accepting what is. Because its possible that complete shortening is not possible once you are an adult.
Recently I wrote in the membership section about the internal shifts I’ve been going through in my level of awareness & consciousness. Letting go of mind’s neurotic attachment to the poor me story and its nature to never accept what is, I can say that its paying off as I feel I’m getting to a much better place to view this whole physical journey as a side thing and not something that consumes my entire life which can become detrimental to other areas of life. Anyway if you are struggling with negativity, awareness is your answer, it may not be for everybody but I recommend resources like Eckart Tolle, Ananta Kranti, few others.
Understanding that there is a dimension within that’s beyond the physical body, thoughts & emotion is true freedom, doesn’t mean you won’t take action but there’s definitely healthy & unhealthy ways to approach it.
I like the quote “what matters is not what you do, but the level of consciousness in which you do it”
Other Updates
Neymarjr’s technique has been put on hold, there was a month in which I did it and felt I was seeing results but I went bit too aggressive with that and now I need another minor correction surgery if I want to continue and I’ve just put it off as he is currently doing a lot of research and If I was to try again, I want that to be the very last surgery I try.
Because that is put on hold, a month ago I started doing belt face pulling
http://lookism.net/Thread-Looksmax-Belt-facepulling
It is definitely working although not to the extent that the original poster’s pictures which are quite unclear.
But if you consider that in NCR a small balloon goes up in the nose and inflates and nudges the sphenoid slightly and other cranial osteopaths can shift and move cranial bones by nudging them with fingers, then biting down on a belt and pulling hard should also produce changes.
How far I can go remains unclear, but If what Falooda says is really true, that head posture can affect the length of various muscles in the face, then this could have the biggest implication (at least in my case). My lack of proper head posture might be one of the biggest issue that’s been holding me back that I may have overlooked. Time will tell, but I do feel I am on to something, as I am noticing the difference in the tension in the muscles of the face as I tilt my head back versus really upright.
Right now I’m very curious to find out more about Falooda’s statement:
“it is all about muscle length changes and lower jaw position which changes”
Hmm
I emailed Dr hang and asked him if I should wear my original ortho retainer and still practice correct oral posture. He couldn’t answer that question but he did mention it is nearly impossible to have correct oral posture when extraction orthodontics like I have had and many others so I wonder if it is even worth practicing correct oral posture, what do you all think?
I find it discouraging that he said that, too, being someone who also had extraction orthodontics.
I’d be curious to see if everyone else thinks our efforts are wasted?
Posture and airway have an extremely intimate relationship. And airway and tongue posture/occlusion also have a direct relationship.
Without a correct airway, the body will involuntarily and automatically adjust neck posture in order to ensure an air supply.
Listen up, everyone!
Full correct posture will never, ever occur without airway restoration. Airway restoration will not occur without skeletal expansion and advancement!
I’m a little confused as to what the proper head posture is – is it just lifting it up so your neck is straight and your head isn’t slumping over?
Also, it’s a good thing you mentioned facial muscles in this post because for some reason I never brought this up; since I started chewing the gum and changing oral posture, the muscle in my lower lip is tensed all the time, as if I’m doing a semi-pucker. I can feel it happen as I’m typing this and I’m constantly trying to get it to just rest. Also, sometimes I notice that I am smiling without knowing it, as if my face is frozen in a reaction, but it’s more like the muscles are getting activated to do that and keep that position automatically or something until I notice my lips are wide or whatever. I’m not really sure what that’s about.
Mike Mew recommends looking up the McKenzie chin tuck to learn proper head posture.
Here’s a demonstration.
Looks like the embed broke it.
https://www.youtube[dot]com/watch?v=LEBX7J8sPtQ
Thanks mate; quite helpful. I’ve been making an effort to sit as properly as I can and Christ, it’s painful. Some people have said that you can’t just hold your body in the right position to permanently change the posture, but I believe that is a lie. My spine feels like it’s getting exercised/strengthened just from me getting it to stay upright for the past few hours, which I believe will over time give it the strength needed to keep it up permanently.
If I manage to stick with it, I will update through posts on here.
CP, thank you for your honesty regardng Neymar’s method. Many have been waiting on an update from someone with first hand knowledge, other than the pitch person. It is probably wise to err on the side of caution before proceeding with a product that, to date, doesn’t have any scientific data or clinical studies. When I read the conclusion from the link you provided, it is very similar to Starecta. Starecta http://starecta.com
How do you liken it to Starecta?
Does anybody else think there may be a link between being of short stature and bad head posture? As a kid, I was always in the bottom 5{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6} of the class in terms of height, and I figure that it may have caused me to tilt my head back to look up when talking to people, possibly resulting in keeping this poor posture as an ingrained habit. (and low confidence from being smaller than everyone else also caused me to look down at the ground when not talking to people, so I constantly flip-flopped between forms of bad head posture)
I’m not definitively pointing to being short as a cause for incorrect posture, but I think it could be a factor, depending on the mindset a person could have had when younger. Most short celebrities who look good are confident and stand upright in a way that reflects it, for example.
I’ve thought about this.
There are several people in my group that are extremely tall and have bad CFD.
I am fairly tall myself and was a mouthbreather as a child.
However, that being said, it is a certainty that poor breathing will cause suboptimal levels of HGH production. Hampering HGH production is a sure-fire way to not achieve your height potential.
My personal belief is that poor breathing/posture as a child is one small variable that can affect height marginally, although the genetics that determine height are a much stronger variable, which explains the extremely tall people in my group with CFD.
In other words, I believe if I had perfect posture and breathing from a young age, HGH production would be better, and I’d likely be at least 1 inch taller.
Of course, it is difficult to quantify or scientifically prove this, but it is my conjecture.
Personally, I don’t think there is a link. I am guessing that you may be male because I think that more men worry about their height than women. Also, I’m not sure what you consider to be tall for a man, but suprisingly enough, just as you stated, many leading men are not tall such as: •Tom Cruise: 5’7” •Daniel Radcliffe: 5’5″ •Bruno Mars: 5’5″ -Usher: 5’7″•Mark Wahlberg: 5’8″•Dave Franco: 5’7″. I have a male friend who is 5’7 and he mentions how he wishes he was taller. It’s like you said, confidence makes you stand taller and I think it is the best kept beauty secret.
Just Google Mouth breathing and HGH production
There is an abundance of information
Also, look at HGH production and height growth
Not difficult to put it together.
I am in personal contact with the owner of the most popular height growth web site: www . naturalheightgrowth . com and we have discussions about this topic frequently. Fortunately for all of us, my goal of cranial growth is dramatically easier to achieve than his of height growth, due to the fact the cranium consists of many bones and sutures and which enables the bones to move in relation to each other, whereas our limbs are single entities, similar to the mandible.
There is extremely scant research available on the ability to induce mandibular growth, although I will be testing a novel Mandibular Growth Stimulator soon and am excited for the results of that.
“Essentials of Facial Growth” published by Saunders, ISBN 0-7216-6106-8.
The following observations are clearly stated in this text:
1. The body of the maxilla, as well as the dental alveolar base upon the maxilla, is comprised of dermal bone which has developed from the ectoderm. Dermal bone growth is primarily driven by function, not by genes.
2. The body of the mandible is comprised of chondral bone which has developed from the mesoderm. Chondral bone growth is primarily driven by genes, not by function.
3. The dental alveolar base upon the mandible is dermal bone and thus affected by function, not by genes.”
I personally believe height matters tremendously in real-world interactions, and there are many studies to suggest as much.
I also believe facial development and airway size is much more important than height.
It is interesting to think about the profundity of skeletal growth, both in the cranium and limbs, and how it can impact life.
The detrimental effects that mouth breathing has on all aspects of ones health isn’t new news. In 1860 George Catlin wrote a book titled, “Shut Your Mouth and Save Your Life, Notes of Travels Amongst the North American Indians.” I have included a pdf link that I think most will find very interesting and timely. As far as height goes, don’t tell Kevin Hart who is 5’2”, Michael J. Fox who is 5’4” and many other short leading men who exude confidence and have eked out a great living in spite of their height. My understanding is that it is very difficult to make it in Hollywood, but if you have confidence, height doesn’t seem to matter. Maybe the difference with the leading men I noted is that they don’t have BDD. They are confident with who they are and it shows. http://www.nancychenderson.com/MAIN/Long_Version_Catlin_Article_(PDF)_files/100{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}20yrs{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}20w{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}3Aphotos{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}20{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}20FINAL{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}20for{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}20web.pdf
I’m not talking about General effects of mouth breathing. I’m talking specifically about HGH production specifically as it relates to RunningZaks query and how hgh is impacted by mouth breathing and how height is impacted by HGH……
With regards to the influence of height on success, the people you listed support my view that facial development is much more important than height.
Also, some of our smartest and my favorite founding fathers were short including Alexander Hamilton and James Madison. Mark zuckerberg is 5″7 and I’m pretty sure he’s doing just fine with his 500 acre Hawaii mansion.
However, the reality is in many cases a lot of people are emotionally responsive to height for whatever reason
The good news like I said is facial development and airway is the most important thing, both of which can be achieved even in adults
Hi Neymar
Is the Mandibular growth stimulator going to be available for us to buy? 😀
It needs to be tested first and there’s a chance it won’t be successful. Like I said, there is very scant research on epigenetic mandibular growth, and it is much more difficult to produce change relative to the rest of skull due to lack of sutures. However, I do remain very optimistic about the prospects of the growth stimulator to produce very positive change, we will see.
Fear not, regardless the case, dramatic mandibular changes can occur simply by expanding and advancing the upper jaw due to the mandible’s shifting ability. There is a 2016 article regarding spontaneous mandibular expansion following maxillary expansion, and there are many cases of dramatic mandibular improvements just by shifting, not by growing.
Moreover, for the vast majority of us, if not all of us, the expansion and advancement maxillary complex is a far greater concern than the mandible.
Regarding joinning the method, I am not accepting anymore people for now while I generate more results with the new method enhancements. I anticipate I will have more news to share in about 3-4 weeks.
Thank you for all the people that emailed me. Your support really helped me because it showed me how many people out there are interested and that need help.
Tessa, I am male and like your friend, also 5’7. I did not mean to suggest I care as much about my height currently, though I will admit to obsessing about it a few years ago and am well acquainted with the naturalheightgrowth site neymarjr10 is referring to.
I think 5’7 is short but an acceptable enough height; it could always be worse and I don’t consider it “cartoonishly” short, nor much of a concern anymore.
All I’m saying is the bad head posture could be a learned behavior from years ago, not that my current height is at fault or something.
In my previous comment, I meant to stress that as a kid, I was seriously below average height. I was considered for growth hormone injections at the age of 6, but I moved away and thus never got them. I can’t say for sure if I really strained my head and neck when talking to people, but it’s a possibility. Being used to looking up at everybody I knew being 6 inches to a foot taller than me all the time may have lead to me not knowing what a level head posture feels like due to never looking straight ahead. Trying the chin tuck described here feels very unnatural to me.
I am fairly sure that anybody with low self-esteem will show it in their body language, which probably won’t include proper head posture, regardless of how tall they are.
Running Zak, with the leading men I noted, you are in very good company at a height of 5’7”. And you are spot on; you are far from cartoonishly short. I agree with you in that head posture can be and is learned. It’s probably more prevalent today due to computer work, sitting, and leaning our heads forward. I was in a serious car accident 10 years ago and had to go to P.T. for head and neck trauma. The physical therapist taught me the McKenzie Chin Tuck and encouraged me to do them even when I was in the car, using the headrest as support. It felt very unnatural to me when he first taught me how to do them, as well. Again, I agree with you that low-self-esteem shows up in posture. You can see when people don’t have confidence, they kind of put their head down and try and go unnoticed.
Listing celebrities as an example is kind of ridiculous.
Don’t take it personal. Everyone should try and strive for perfection.
Highly, highly recommended read!
http://www.angle.org/doi/pdf/10.1043/0003-3219(1971)041{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}3C0103:ECOFG{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}3E2.0.CO{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6}3B2
The airway is amazingly stable from the first breath onward, although constantly threatened by normal actions such as changes in posture which involve flexions of the neck.
If the ratio between tongue growth and jaw growth is not harmonious, i.e. if the tongue remains disproportionately large, it is apt to be forced back and one of several responses must made to the reflexes that guard the airway. The simplest of these is a protrusion of the tongue sufficient to avoid stimulation of the pharyngeal response.
As has been pointed out, the diameter of the airway is established at birth and maintained thereafter by reflexes. Even slight encroachments on it are matched by protrusions of the tongue or thrusting of the mandible, and these adapted positions are maintained by conditioned reflex.
First of all is the primary importance of the respiratory system, as shown by the adaptations that have occurred in it over the ages. In all mammals save Man the integrity of the airway is maintained anatomically by apposition of the epigolottis and soft palate. Man lost this contact when he attained upright posture, but its maintenance requires sweeping changes such as flexions of craniovertebral relations of the gut and airway, the spreading of the lower border of the mandible and its eversion into a chin, the descent of the hyoid bone with concomitant shortening of the muzzle and balling up o f the tongue.
FOR THE FIRST TIME THE TONGUE BECAME A THREAT TO THE AIRWAY. THE ADAPTIVE RESPONSE WAS THE DEVELOPMENT OF REFLEX CONTROL OF THE HYOID BONE AND STRENGTHENING OF THE PROTRUSIVE POSSIBILITIES OF THE EXTERNAL PTYERGOID MUSCLE.
As as been pointed out, any change in the apical base will affect muscles arising from it. Its enlargement should result in moving the labiobuccal musculature outward from the dental arches, thus increasing mouth space. This increase provides the room necessary to allow the mass of the tongue to be accommodated WITHOUT INFRINGING ON THE AIRWAY.
(Figure 18) Unable to clear his pharynx by protruding his tongue alone, he learned that he could gain the same advantage by protruding his mandible and this position became habitual.
A few minutes should be devoted to scrutinizing and appraising the whole head, paying particular attention to the respiratory area. This is the most critical and the most closely guarded of the body’s system. MRobbed of oxygen man can survive only for seconds.
Inspired air must traverse successively the bony nose, the posterior choanae, the nasopharynx, the oropharynx and the larynx. Like any air tube it can transmit only as much volume as its smallest lumen will allow. Dimunation of the airway can occur for various reasons.
In the area below the palate, the most frequent cause of obstruction is the tongue. Its relation to the jaws and pharynx must be determined.
When the tracings are superposed on the usual cranial landmarks, the condyle of the mandible with the teeth occluded may be found to be above the posterior to that of the rest position. This indicates that the patient is maintaining a position forward of what ist should be.
Like I said, no airway = no posture
Since I know none of you are gonna read it, I copied and pasted what I believe to be the important parts
By the way I want to take credit for the case study in this post, as I was the one that commented about T Hill in an older post and also showed CP her.
cant wait to ask her out 😀
My theory is this:
If you do these correctly:
– Good posture a la alexander method
– Make sure your facial muscles work correctly.
– Chew gum.
– Mew.
You will get results over time. The bones in the body are living tissue and continuously renew. Each of the points above contributes to pressure on the bones in the correct directions. It might take years though.
The only one I’m struggling with myself is mewing. I have a theory that you can suck in while you mew and that this will give you more pressure up and forwards. I have anecdotal evidence for this working better, but I don’t know for sure so I don’t recommend it. I’m not going to start until i know. My theory is that it pulls the mid part of the palate down, but pushes the sides up. This will over time create a wider palate, and potentially more upwards and forwards maxilla. We would have someone knowledgeable on forces to chime in to be sure.
Since your body responds to the things you believe to be true, it’d be the best use of time if you’d stop holding on to negative ideas about yourself before trying to compensate for self hatred with biting on a belt like a dog (I’m not talking to anyone specific). You’ve heard of people who got better looking simply because they believed they were good looking. If you firmly believe you’re ugly, then that is all you can experience, no matter what technique you do.
Japanophile, you are funny and I agree with you. Look at the extent people are willing to go to, biting a belt like a dog for the sake of beauty!! And are they coming out on the other end of that looking like a model, sorry, no. It goes right back to what Running Zak said in a word… confidence. Believing in yourself. Everyone wants to look the best that they possibly can, but beauty is skin deep. I think we all know or have met someone who is physically attractive, but with such an ugly personality, it makes them look physically ugly. I am new to this site and I went back to January of this year and was reading posts from Neymar which are incredibly rude, arrogant, and classless. In a word, ugly. Also, just from reading the threads, it seems like many people have BDD. I bet they are decent looking, but because of low-self-esteem want to believe that some unfounded, unscientific method is going to turn them into a movie star which it isn’t. I’m super happy that CP gave testimony to his experience with the method. Just from reading his posts, he seems credible.
Hey, I’m glad you find cP credible. How about you spend some time reading about his experience with the method in older posts and see how he described it. ????????????????
Yeah that’d be great.. Read about what he felt he experienced while using the method and how he referenced it as a potential cure for ugliness before he frankly abused the method and created problems for himself.
And I don’t need to respond or go further than take a look at your comments literally disparaging a 15 year old kid for talking about his incredible ambitions; who the hell are you to have any authority to tell him he has mental health problems over an Internet forum. How old are you?? Just because you haven’t fulfilled your dreams doesn’t mean other people can’t. How do I know you haven’t fulfilled your dreams? Because people that do don’t talk the way you do. I know exactly what kind of person you are and it’s frankly sad.. This is my last response for Tessa fields, a true waste of time.
I believe it was you who was launching nuclear missiles of vitriol with your keyboard at everybody who dared to question your invisible method, which is what Tessa is talking about. You couldn’t have fulfilled any of your dreams, if we’re going by your own criteria of internet conduct.
Japanophile… Amen!
Japan,
There’s a difference between responding to people trying to disparage your ambitions, and being the one trying to disparage other people’s ambitions. I’m the former, Tessa and you are the latter.
I could not be happier with my progress and I could not be more optimistic about the future, can you say the same?
Anyway, I’m out of this comments section until my patents are processed and my website is ready. Enjoy the disparagement, let’s see how far it takes you.
Body Dysmorphia shouldn’t even be a topic on here. The human face is growing in the wrong directions. It’s only natural to subconsciously pick up on mild-severe CFD and obsess about it.
Your facial attractiveness and height are arguably the most important aspects of life. We live in an increasingly looks-focused society. Attractive people genuinely have better lives.
That is to put it simply–there are so many undiscussed plights of being an average or ugly human in this world.
Of course there’s nothing wrong with wanting to change your face – I want the same thing. Denouncing wanting a better looking face isn’t what I’ve implied or anything, but to become overly obsessed with it and entirely base your value on it is the issue, which is encapsulated in things like believing “Your facial attractiveness and height are arguably the most important aspects of life.” I just want to point out that I’m not Asian and am 5’6 and I don’t feel bad because of it. I used to feel terrible about it and imagined I’d never be found attractive due to being short, but that actually has never really been the case.
Celebrities with chiseled faces are still capable of being depressed, just like plenty of people with fantastic lives are just average looking. I used to imagine celebrities had access to some higher state of happiness because of their looks/fame/money but that was just highly deluded thinking on my part.
Neymar … since January you were going to bring forth evidence of how great the method is and how you are working on a patent and working with cutting edge scientists and engineers, but you have yet to produce a shred of evidence for any of it. You had the minor surgery for the method you created in December 2016 – please post the pix of your progress so prospective consumers can judge for themselves. Also, please produce your website and please produce the contact information for the cutting edge scientists and engineers. You have provided NOTHING but a meaningless pitch for a product that has no backing by scientific data or clinical studies. You are not credible and actually, you seem shady to me. No website, no testimonies except for CP who was honest when he stated he was aggressive and may not go any further. You turned his words around to say he “abused” your method. If anyone reading any of these threads has any questions about the content of your character, go back and read the threads from January 2016. You shady, boo.
Tessa, when I release it’s certainly not going to be for you or because you asked. You have no impact whatsoever. You will go to bed tonight an old loser that picks on 15 year olds. I will go to bed tonight growing my zygos and excited to bring my product to the market and save many people from radical surgery. Enjoy ????????
Neymar, of course you wouldn’t release anything because I asked or because anyone else asked. We have something in common, you say I don’t have an impact whatsoever and I say you don’t either (as hard as you have tried). Why do you keep hanging around CPs website, create your own and try and pitch your product there. You will go to bed tonight growing you zygos…. sure you will. You been bringing your product to market since December… sure you will. You left your legacy in the January 2016 thread.
obviously, you have never brought a medical product to market, and probably never started an innovative business before because you wouldn’t be talking like that. If you experienced the challenges, your tone would be very different.
Nothing you say on this comments section or to yourself will change the reality that I just stated.
My legacy will be determined by the effect my hard work, risk and investment will have on the lives of people struggling. Your legacy is grumpy old lady actively looking to disparage people, including 15-year olds, because you never were able to achieve your dreams.
Blah, Blah, Blah … get your own website.
Just ignore this person bro. She’s offering nothing constructive–even labeling others here as a simple case of BDD.
I don’t think this person understands the importance of looks. A lot of us are rooting for you behind the scenes; I can’t wait for your method to evolve and become more mainstream.
I once contacted Neymar myself. He is arrogant. His words are negative. He is not a healer and he himself agreed to that. He provides zero information on anything. He is a waste of time.
What if you could anchor your face pulling on the Zygomatic process of the maxilla rather than the teeth? If you insert your thumbs inside your mouth along the vestibule (between the cheeks and upper gums) until you reach behind the Zygomatic process, hook the tips of your thumbs around that projection and then apply force pulling up and out, it generates a satisfying sensation that feels like it could, if maintained, achieve more efficient adjustments.
This post is in regards to palate expanders.
Do you guys think that the more screws a palate expander has the better job it does at expanding the palate? I have seen so many types of palate expanders, and I do not know what features should one be looking for in one?
What do you guys think?
SuicideSoon, you misread and misquoted my post. I stated that my takeaway was the many people MAY be suffering from BDD. Here is my quote: “But, after reading many of the posts on this blog, my take away is that many of the people may be suffering from Body Dismorphic Disorder (BDD).” It was just an observation. After reading your post and how both you and Neymar understand the importance of beauty, you don’t have to wait for the method to go mainstream, purchase the method NOW – there is no time like the present! And from what I have read, Neymar’s states that results are almost immediate. When you become beautiful, you will be able to give first hand testimony to the product.
Insightful article. Thank you Neymar too for sharing your knowledge and theories – makes you look much more credible than making claims without being able to provide instant evidence.
Swallowing while tucking chin in and occipital bone up as far as they go feels incredibly solid and better than swallowing with even the slightest forward posture. I never really realized how much air I inadvertently swallow because my tongue isn’t sealing the throat properly. So many burps for nothing!
Correct posture doesn’t come without a price though when you have a recessed face. As the compensation by head tilt is removed, mandible becomes very weak looking. Hopefully it will be a worthy sacrifice in the long run.
Imo it’s not unfair to assume that Mewing & Chewing becomes much more efficient with a correct head posture… perhaps face pulling too.
When you tuck your chin, do the swallows feel more noticeable? It’s something I usually try and avoid because the 5.1 surround sound gulp feels disgusting to me, but I too feel everything as more solid with the right head posture.
Like I mentioned a few days ago, I am trying to sit with an upright spine and my head over my shoulders and it is actually quite painful to maintain this posture, but I feel as though it is retraining the body into doing it automatically, which is why it feels so painful. Even when I lay down to take a break, I can still feel as though everything is upright, or would be if I were to stand up.
Also this is just my observation, I wouldn’t take it as fact or evidence, but with the correct head posture, it seems like the mandible has a certain pressure on it. It seems easy to imagine that doing this posture continually will change the mandible in some way. Also, having an erect spine and strong neck while walking around makes me feel better looking. Strengthening that idea will be highly conducive to progress/results.
Noticeable in which sense? When I manage to get my head to the optimal position, my swallow is pretty silent but firm and strong against the palate, whereas a poorly sealed forward swallow is noisy and “gulpy”.
I’m still trying to master the correct pattern in this new position so I’m unable to do the correct swallow consistently, but it seems that smaller mouthfuls of food and especially liquid are much easier to swallow with a technique that at least feels ideal.
Yeah, I too feel similar pressure, and in addition the mandible is putting pressure towards the upper teeth and maxilla automatically with next to no effort. If one can learn to sleep like this, I imagine changes should occur pretty fast.
I just tried towel- and thumbpulling with the chin tucked in & stretching the occipital area upwards (and relaxed face) and it seems to feel way different in the face than pulling with a strained head forward posture. For the first time I feel pressure in the vertical middle portion of the face instead of the usual cheekbone area. Can anyone else confirm?
Holy shit… I’ve been focusing on keeping the chin tucked in with a moderate force for the past 24 hours. I was amazed as I answered the phone a few minutes ago. Just in a day, my voice has become stronger and clearer, gaining more presence/resonance as the whole neck area is beginning to open and function more optimally. Overbite seems to be lessening too.
Pretty convinced about the muscle length hypothesis so far.
I was looking at my baby pictures and, as is likely the case for many of us, I had such a beautiful head shape and face. When looking at the picture, one would think that baby would grow up to have amazing facial development.
But, unfortunately, due to poor modern habits and orthodontic quackery, I never realized even close to that potential.
And I think that is one of the strongest driving forces making me work so hard on my method: to be able to fulfill my god given potential, nothing more and nothing less.
I know this is not the case for everyone, but happiness for me is fulfilling my potential and being the best person I can be.
I already know that my method will be by far the best available treatment for CFD (fact: no other treatment in existence generates as much skeletal force with correct and accurate vectors as my method does, and, crucially, no other treatment generates this force biomimetically; that is, my treatment allows for full/natural tongue posture as well as lip seal, an unprecedented accomplishment and the importance of which cannot be overstated), but I need to trial the new enhanced version for a little longer to be able to learn how powerful it can be and how far it can go.
It makes me a much more faithful person and love the world much more knowing that as bad as this problem is, the skull is composed of many, many bones with sutures, which in my view, is an ideal situation for our purposes/objectives. It’s like that area of the body is so important (airway etc.) that it was designed to be able to expand and advance if it was necessary. It’s like an encryption backdoor that allows us to ‘reprogram’ the cranium if necessary.
With respect to the muscle length hypothesis, it definitely makes sense and is critical to be aware of as part of a complete treatment. However, in my view, opening the airway by producing skeletal changes is of primary importance in order to produce anything that is sustainable, because your airway reflex will always relapse your posture if the airway space is more generous with the head tilted posture.
My method engages in a skeletal treatment to open the airway, while simultaneously doing soft tissue programs including myofunctional and postural exercises to retrain musculature. Bone and muscle is my mantra, notably excluding teeth.
Doesn’t this make your device kind of redundant if in the end you can keep the jaws and tongue pushing towards the maxilla with constant and relaxed pressure just by rotating head and neck to anatomically correct position?
If body allows structural changes to happen in certain places, there has to be an organic mechanism for which it exists. An invented method can only approximately guide the body where it wants to go, while a body that is free to grow and rest against its own vector forces will naturally reach the ideal structure.
“A ‘normal’ airway is about 11mm; 20+mm is optimal. Many operate with less than a 6mm airway – about the size of a soda straw.”
http://www.mouthmattersbook.com/2013/12/08/facial-meltdown-if-a-form-in-nature-isnt-beautiful-something-is-wrong/
Opening the airway is associated with improving posture, speech ability, calmness, focus, and much more. These are all essential.
Opening the airway requires both soft tissue and skeletal efforts.
The reality can be difficult to face, but I suspect many of us would have had a very, very different life experience if we had an optimal airway from the youngest age onward.
Another way to look at this is, we know it is the airway infringement that causes changes in neck posture. It’s not the lengthening of muscles and contracture of others that is the cause; rather, lengthening and contracture is the effect. So if you want to be smart about it, you address the cause of the original dysfunction, rather than the symptom, although I acknowledge postural work is a key adjunct therapy.
Hi there,
I am a a 16 year old male with a good bite (maybe a possible very slight overbite), and I currently experience crowding in the bottom front teeth. I have never undergone orthodontic treatment and I also have slight recession in my chin. How should I correct this?
(speculation)
You’re still growing, so optimizing the whole body posture is all you need to help the face grow in the correct direction.
How?
Like CP has said in some earlier post, every muscle in your body from toes to head is paired with another muscle generating an opposing direction of force. When you use the whole body to stand straight, all the opposite muscle pairs from head to toes can push and rest against each other, enabling the body to stand straight and tall for very long periods of time if needed.
So, along with keeping the chin tucked in and head high, keep your shoulders/arms back and low, rotate your pelvic area up and push it forward while providing counter force by knee extension. The whole body pushes towards itself and towards the sky while keeping it as a straight line. Like this:
imgur com / Yoy8V3e
If you do this movement with decent forces, you’ll find that you can use the whole body as a resistance to itself and train all the necessary posture muscles without needing to rely on any other stretching or exercise routines.
Tha… I’m 25 and 3 years ago I had a little crowding in my top and bottom teeth. Like you, I never had orthodontic treatment. I wasn’t a mouth breather, but had low tongue posture. I was diagnosed with tongue tie and had a frenectomy which gave immediate relief and allowing my tongue to move up to the roof of my mouth. I still had bad oral habits from childhood and went to a myofunctional therapist and I also got a DNA appliance (palate expander). Before I got the appliance, they did x-rays of my airway which was very narrow, but at the end a year, they took more x-rays and my airway opened up to normal. I had to wear the appliance about 8-10 hours per day. Between the frenectomy which allowed my tongue to reach the roof of my mouth and wearing the appliance and the help of myfunctional exercises, my arch is significantly wider and I no longer have crowded teeth. That is what worked for me.
Is there any way to enlarge the lower jaw as a whole?
Tha, I was going my doctor for neck and shoulder pain and after tests, she sent me to a PT and he said I had forward head posture and gave me exercises to do. Actually, he was the one that said I should check for tongue tie because lots of time that is what causes neck and shoulder pain if you haven’t been injured in a car accident or something like that. He said the same as CP, that all muscles work in conjunction with other muscles. You should probably get checked by a professional for a diagnosis.
Did resolving the tongue tie and correcting posture have much effect on your facial structure?
I think it was all three things that I did that helped with my facial structure. The tongue tie release I think is the first step because it helped me relax my neck and shoulders which then allowed me to correct my posture. I’m not promoting one appliance or the other, just saying that it was the DNA appliance that opened my airway (you can see it in the x-ray) and the myofunctional thereapist helped me undo the bad oral habits I had. So it was all three things that helped and yes, I look better especially in pictures.
You should post some before and afters, i’m very interested in seeing what the effects of those things you mentioned are on the facial structure over a long timescale
There is definitely something to this.
I need to read more about the muscles of the face to be able to comment on what effect they might have due to posture, but in the meantime I did have a related idea and it has to do with the curve of spee and what forces might be applied to the maxilla due to shape of teeth and posture.
Check these pictures out and see what you think.
http://i.imgur.com/UNrQ34i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/McfzAD4.jpg
Not like “feeling” is total evidence, but for the past week I have been holding the upright spine and chin tuck – I’ve spent more time at a desktop, so instead of leaning back, I’m just sitting and manually holding the posture for hours a day, which can be quite painful, but it is getting less so and is also becoming more automatic – even when I revert to a slouch, the slouch is much less pronounced than before.
Anyways, tucking the chin and staying upright seems to encourage even more force of the tongue on the palette and I can feel it working; almost like you just know that holding this position over time will bring changes, because it feels so right.
Japanophile,
I remember when I was first at the PT office and he said I had to work on my forward head posture and he physically placed my body in correct form. I told him he was mistaken that that could not possibly be correct form because it hurt, felt weird, and I looked weird. But he gave me excercises to do including the chin tucks and it took me a while to get the hang of it. The PT said that my brain had to rewire itself and it wouldn’t happen overnight. He told me the same thing after my tongue release, my brain needs to get used to the new normal.
That is exactly the same thing our myofunctuonal therapist said regarding oral habits. It is a rewiring of neural connections because daily habits are mainly subconcious. If daily conscious effort is made to change bad habits they will be replaced with the correct practiced habits and become effortless. Danny Dee, It is great to hear your testimonial.
Japanophile,
I feel the exact same thing. When I hold the correct posture, without even trying, my tongue seems to exert way more upward force. It does just ‘feel right’. And I know like you said that feeling doesn’t really mean anything in the scientific sense, but I think intuition is a very strong inbuilt system that we should definitely listen to.
Oh and also, I should say that I remember when I first found this site, maybe back in February or so, that I tried this correct posture because Mike Mew talked about it in a video, but when I tried to do it, my airway became so small that I was wheezing. So I gave up on it. I also remember back then that I used to wake up every morning feeling like I was run over by a train.
But now, even if I jam my chin as far back as possible and go beyond good posture to where it is uncomfortable, I can still breathe just fine without a problem. I have also been waking up feeling great lately too. This shows me that my airway has gotten bigger just from the tongue posture I have been doing so far, and I haven’t even gotten my tie released yet.
So now that my airway is larger I can do this correct posture without a problem, so it looks like it came at the right time. I wonder if that’s true for most of us here, if we are all on the same path that is.
Does your airway have anything to do with your tongue? I caught a glimpse of my head posture in the mirror and it was still a bit slumped, so now that I’m doing it right, I keep choking on my tongue – that’s got to be the grossest feeling I can think of.
On the other hand, I can feel a lot of muscle being flexed around my neck, which seems to be putting force on the mandible.
To anyone else who has dealt with back pain, I can feel mine disappearing. I’ve always had shit posture because I’ve spent many years hunched over the computer. I’ve seen the chiropractor many times and all he’d do would crack everything and I’d be in the same discomfort 5 minutes later. All I’ve done is hold the upright posture for a few hours a day for the past week or so – the results should be great if I continue.
I agree about the back pain. Teaching the body to stand straight and tall seems to bring much more profound changes than I thought.
I did a few quick searches, apparently body posture influences testosterone and neurotransmitter levels. And funnily enough that is pretty precisely how it feels. Just in a few days I feel more confident and engaged with the world. I converted my desk to a standing desk, simply because sitting gives me more problems than standing now.
My body kind of hurts most of the time, but on the other hand it feels more balanced and open, so the pain will probably sort itself out over time as the body adapts to the new position.
As I’m slowly heading to a much more holistic view of the body, the face is starting to seem like a secondary issue. It will get better or it won’t, but in all cases treating the whole body as one is probably the most reasonable thing to do.
The tongue plays a part in the airway. Sort of. I’m not 100{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6} sure on this but based on what I know the airway is basically defined as the space in the soft tissue between the back of your throat and wherever your jaw rests. The tongue plays a role in two ways. One is that it helps to push things forward so that your airway becomes larger, and the second is that if you have good tongue posture, the actual muscle of your tongue will lift up away from your throat and allow your airway to be unobstructed. So to answer your question I would say the tongue has an indirect relationship with the size of the airway. The fact that my airway got bigger is kind of surprising to me because I don’t feel like my maxilla is more forward but I used to have to put my chin upwards and jut my jaw in order to breathe and now I don’t, so something had to have happened. I also used to use my thumb to pull on my palate but I don’t know if that did anything.
So back to what you asked, you say that your tongue chokes you when you posture correctly. I think that was discussed earlier, in another post, and I think the conclusion was that it means your maxilla is too far back which makes most of your tongue sit in your throat instead of coming out into your mouth where it should be. If I push my tongue backwards it starts to go into my throat and choke me like you feel and my swallows sound disgusting like you said too. Like they are too loud and sound really sloshy. But when my tongue is more forward it becomes more silent.
Interesting that you bring up back pain though. My mother is currently experiencing back pain and she has a tongue tie with poor posture too, I wonder if this can help her.
Tourist,
The statement from CP, “When muscles have been held tight for long periods of time, they shorten anatomically and acquire a decreased resting length in a process known as contracture,” is exactly what my PT told me when I went to him. All muscles work in pairs and when they are tight they must be stretched out and exercises performed. It will take time for your brain to readjust to your new posture. I know how weird it feels at first, but make a conscious effort and soon it will become second nature. I know other people who have gone to a PT, but didn’t have the same experience as me. My PT believes in integrative medicine – the mind and body as a whole, in harmony. Yin and Yang.
Exactly. At first glance such holistic views may seems like some new age bullshit, but upon further inspection it becomes clear that it is actually the mainstream school of medicine that has drifted further away from the realities of life.
Tourist, there is a place for both eastern and western medicine, but I agree that mainstream medicine has lost touch with the real world. I’m not sure if it made a difference for me or not, but my PT is Asian. He had additional schooling beyond his masters in PT and taught how correct posture affects all aspects of health. He practiced yoga and is a really easy going dude. He was the one that thought I might have tongue tie and he was right. Go figure.
I wanted to know if anyone has had experience with wisdom teeth put back in?
Sorry, no experience with that, personally…
But, with regards to your previous question, I saw a palate expander with three screws, online. Perhaps, you saw the same one? On the acrylic, one screw is positioned behind the front teeth, whilst the other two are placed behind the pre-molars, each side. However, if I remember correctly, I don’t think there was a screw in the centre of the acrylic for widening, so a different design to the ones we normally see.
My guess is that it doesn’t specifically widen the arches or moves the jaws forward, but just fans out the first few teeth, to give the illusion of forward maxillary expansion. To balance out an underbite, perhaps? I’ve no idea really…Could be completely wrong!
Have you checked out the discussions/Tessa’s links in the previous article, about diagnosing tongue ties? Worth a look…If your tongue is tethered down and you can’t adopt proper tongue posture, any orthodontics you have, will likely relapse and it will be a waste of time and money. Happened to me. But, if your tongue is free to be in the right position, you may discover that won’t need an expander. Or, if you do, that the treatment time is reduced because the tongue is working with you- not against you.
dadfa,
I just had another look at the palate expander because I couldn’t remember how many screws it had, having only glanced at it last time. On the website, it’s called the ‘Modified Upper Jaw Stretching Plate’ and actually has five screws, positioned in the centre of the acrylic and round the edges.
So, I’m thinking that it does indeed, widen the dental arches, but also pushes the teeth forwards in the face. Looks like they’re selling a version for the lower arch, too. CP has spoken about how the most attractive smiles, are forward in the face, so potentially, this could be a great appliance.
But, be cautious if you’re thinking of buying one, to self treat. You don’t want to end up will flared teeth with tons of gaps in them, or a maxillary protrusion. Could be a costly mistake. Plus, I’m unaware if there’s any testimonials on it, or if there are any professionals who use it on their patients.
Maybe get an ortho/dentist to look it up and see what they say about it, first. Perhaps they can give you some guidance i.e. whether it’s the right thing for you, or if they’ll offer to oversee treatment….
A – You were one of the people doing the belt pulling, right? I was looking into it and seeing people who have results (though they are few) makes it seem like something worth attempting.
Anyways, a few more days of doing the spinal posture and it’s becoming even more automatic; sitting up straight isn’t a strain anymore and my neck is pretty strong now. On the other hand my cheeks seem to have gotten a bit fatter, but I have no idea why that is because my swallow hasn’t reverted or anything – this is only within the span of a few days too.
Japanopnile,
My neck is substancially stronger now from the going to the PT and having him stretch out my neck and then giving me exercises to do, like chin tucks. Also, what the PT had me do was stand against a wall with my head, shoulder blades, heels touching the wall and look straight ahead. That would help remind me of correct posture. At first, it didn’t feel good. But, now when stand by a wall just to check my posture, it feels perfect and I know that my posture away from the wall is correct, if that makes sense.
So about the belt pulling, I never really kept up with it. I think I did it like 5 times total. And I never did the version where you pull forward, I just tried to use it to widen my arches sideways, or even to tilt/tip my teeth a bit, but I’ve been lazy with it so it didn’t contribute. I might try it again but i’m more focused on the tongue tie thing first.
Fatter cheeks is interesting. Looking in the mirror now, and maybe only because you brought it up, I think I see the same thing. Putting yourself into the correct posture uses certain muscles that probably atrophied before… there might be a chance that these muscles make your cheeks look fatter? In time there is a chance that these muscles can help reshape the bone and make the face wider. We will see.
One thing I do have to point out, and that I have positive proof for, is that since doing the tips on this site, my eyes have managed to go from a negative to a positive canthal tilt. So there is definite proof of progress there, and my occlusion is still bad. When I bite down none of my molars or premolars touch, so I expect bigger changes to come once I fix that.
My midface is still too long, and my jaw is still too far back though, hoping those will fix themselves over time as well.
I think the belt pulling has a high risk of ripping your teeth out if you’re not careful (or have healthy teeth) so I’m a bit hesitant to try it.
Doing the chin tuck, I can kind of feel the muscles along the jaws be activated, but I am not really sure how that coincides with fatter cheeks. I think over time this will settle, because I think I am starting to look better than before. Recently I have also learned about how important light is to a photo, because the webcam I use is so sensitive/distortive to light, I look insanely hideous if there’s daylight in the picture, which is why my early before/after pics were total garbage.
I agree with you there; my eyes have changed, but my teeth haven’t; even though my teeth aren’t 100{ae022d2295c0485893c83c8425b5bfafafba893c2d19b1bb9bc4c7c9bf3eeba6} straight, they’re OK – the real problem is cavities and all that jazz. I haven’t found anything that has helped remineralize them or even just stave off further damage.
I’ve been successfully reversing several cavities in the last few months by avoiding sugar and phytic acid and making sure to get a lot of all necessary minerals and vitamins. Like A said in some earlier post, K2, A, D, calcium and magnesium are all important for the process.
I also brush the cavities a lot. At the beginning they felt really tender and sensitive and the surrounding gum area bled a lot, but day by day they hurt a little less and the gums get more resilient.
TDT and A – Thanks for the info, it’s nice to hear that it’s at least possible. I have so much sugar everyday, so it’s no wonder that my teeth are bad. I’m quite used to just eating for taste instead of eating for health, so the idea of eating nothing but healthy food sounds pretty difficult. I’m sure you’d just get used to it, but it seems hard to imagine that you’d be like “Hey I feel hungry, so I’ll pull some liver out of the fridge”.
This is probably a dumb question, but the kinds of fruits I like are acidic like nectarines or peaches – are those still good fruits to eat or because they are sweet, are they bad for you (because of the sugar)?
Well we have to be careful here. I feel that common wisdom has brainwashed people into believing that healthy = bland. That’s not true at all.
The food I eat tastes way way better than any junk food I could buy. It’s not really about replacing taste, it’s just about making sure you are getting the right nutrients/minerals and eating things that your body likes.
Taste should absolutely be one of the things you optimize as you learn to eat well. If your food doesn’t taste good, then it isn’t good for you. Instinct/intuition should be followed always. I never ‘just got used to’ eating well. I actually look forward to everything I eat because it’s all great food that tastes great and is satisfying and hits every craving I have. If it didn’t I wouldn’t do it.
Beware of people who promote diets that are restrictive or who think that in order to eat healthy you have to eat bland garbage that is low fat, low sodium, low carb, etc. Those people are all charlatans.
So first of all, about sugar. Only table sugar is bad. The white stuff. And things that contain it (soda, candy, etc). All natural forms of sugar are not only ok for you, they are GREAT for you. Fruits, honey, rice, potatoes, etc. I eat tons of each of these every day. They provide you with energy.
Just to be very clear – I eat for taste first and foremost. But I do it using ingredients/foods that I know are good for me. That’s all. That’s all that separates us.
I eat tons of natural sugars, tons of saturated fats, tons of carbs, tons of salt, tons of calories, etc.
Learn to eat like this and your health will improve in all aspects.
Also when I am hungry for liver I eat liver. I don’t force myself to eat it just because I know it is good for you. I eat what my body wants when my body asks for it if that makes sense.
I realize I didn’t answer your question directly: the fruits you listed are great for you. All fruits are. Just make sure you swish out your mouth when you are done eating them until your cavities get better and your teeth are shinier/stronger.
Honestly, it’s going to be tough to change to a different diet. You are going to have to learn all over again about food and what to eat. You are going to have to invent your own food culture. Society really let us down in that regard.
It’ll be worth it in the end though. Let me know if you have further questions.
The healthier the food, the more delicious. For real. I did struggle with sugar addiction returning until I adopted a ketogenic (very low carb) diet. Now my taste for sugar has changed. For example, I used to have to have sugar and milk in coffee if I were to have coffee. Now the milk alone is as sweet as I could wish for. The sweetness of fruit is amplified. I truly love my diet from every angle — it’s easy, satisfying, delicious, and keeps me on an even keel.
Hi TDT,
Would it be ok if I emailed you some questions about cavity reversal? My email address is jimminy74@gmail.com
Thanks!
Yup, like TDT says, diet is very important. I know for sure that I can help you with those kinds of issues – i’m pretty confident that I can go toe to toe with anyone currently alive when it comes to knowledge of nutrition/body/diet etc.
But I don’t want to overload your brain either.
If you focus on the minerals that TDT posted you should be on the right track.
You also want to have a good salivary pH and good bacteria in your gut and mouth.
Using these advices I have manage to have amazing teeth, never a cavity. I used to grind like crazy too, and my teeth are still looking great.
Some easy tips to follow would be to cut out sugar and wheat and any refined foods, and to eat fermented dairy, butter, liver, egg yolks, lemons/raw vinegar, and to get sunshine when you can and even let it shine directly on your teeth. Also make sure to eat lots of fruits and some vegetables in order to keep your salivary pH good.
Another tip to follow like TDT said is to brush/floss often and to rinse out your mouth whenever you eat something sour or sweet. You won’t have to do this once you are healthier, just at first. I brush/floss once a day most days because I am lazy and my teeth are still great.
Also, as far as toothpaste and mouthwash goes, I don’t use them. I just dissolve some iodized salt in water and brush using that. I have been doing this for 5 years and I get complimented every time I go to the dentist. I also don’t believe in flouride for teeth/bone strength. Calcium is better.
Try ume vingar 🙂
Does wearing a retainer hinder the mewing results?
My gut instinct says yes.
A – Thanks for all the info; I started reducing my sugar intake today, even though it originally started out with “no sugar at all!” I realized a complete cold turkey approach was just setting myself up for failure. I’m having some candy right now (10 pm) so I went the whole day without any and instead had healthy foods – it felt very weird not ingesting garbage all day long, but it does feel a lot better.
Awesome man, that’s great to hear. Cold turkey is definitely not the right way to do things so i’m glad you figured that out. Over time your body will naturally figure out what to do based on what it needs and what you have learned & tried.
Keep me updated on the health of your teeth, hopefully your issues resolve soon.
Natural cravings are a fascinating subject. Right now I wouldn’t mind living on just rice, butter and aged gouda, whereas a couple of weeks ago I was constantly craving potatoes, beef and garlic. Navigating through the daily menu intuitively like this would be practically impossible if the body was accustomed to crave empty calories with high macros and low micros.
I agree that quitting sugar is much more convenient when you treat it like a process instead of a on/off switch. I don’t know how much of an impact supplementing with spirulina can have considering its small recommended amount of daily dose (containing practically trace amounts of minerals and vitamins), but all my sugar cravings diminished a lot when I started taking a few grams of it a day. I didn’t feel like I needed or even wanted it any more.
Taking it also coincided with getting rid of several warts on my foot. I don’t take it anymore though, because it’s so nasty and difficult to mix that it feels like a burden, and I get the same micros from other sources.
Your best course of action would probably be to promise yourself to eat junk only AFTER you’ve eaten a good meal. This way it becomes easier to gauge whether you REALLY want some chocolate or whether you just needed to get some nutrition into your body. Just have something decent on your fridge that you can eat quickly if you feel like succumbing to cravings. Chances are you don’t even feel like eating junk afterwards.
Oh and A. What do you think about protein requirements such as the “1 gram per a pound of muscle mass” that is often recommended in the gym culture?
Although that recommendation is from the lower end, I’ve lately become more and more convinced that even the 1g/lbs is overkill, and instead one should just get some and keep the main focus on fats & carbs which will boost testosterone and therefore muscle mass & fitness more than increased protein at the price of less carbs and fat ever could.
I’d estimate that I have eaten like 30-50 grams of protein a day for months now without having been to a gym for over a year and I still look like I definitely lift (especially true now when standing with a good posture).
Protein is definitely overhyped. My main focus when eating just like you is on carbs and fats. Keeping the hormones optimal will give your body a nice shape without needing to exercise much. I haven’t been to the gym in about 3 years and I still have broad shoulders and a lean figure just based on the fact that I learned how to eat properly. I used to joke that if wheat were good for you, that cheese pizza would basically be the perfect food. In a way at least – I say that with tons of knowledge of nutrition so I hope no one takes that the wrong way (most pizza you can buy is garbage and made with poor ingredients).
In fact, there are a lot of things that people consider to be junk food that might actually be amazing for you with just a few tweaks. Potato chips and fries come to mind – if they are made using the correct oils they are amazing foods that aren’t fattening at all. One of my favorite meals is homemade fries with feta.
As far as how much protein I eat, it’s definitely something super low. If I work out I crave meat more but right now I might eat it some lamb or chicken once a day or so and that’s it.
As far as cravings go, they come in waves based on what your body is deficient in. That’s my theory at least. There is an interesting study out there that you can find if you google “claradavis1928.pdf” that shows how infants eat if given a choice of tons of food and allowed to choose what to eat on their own. Worth a read.
Forgot to add – protein is overhyped because it helps to sell those nasty powder supplements.
You guys should check out Micheal Phelps.
I’m sitting here watching swimming in the olympics right now and I noticed that Phelps has a super narrow upper arch along with really strange lower jaw growth. Pretty sure he has a tongue tie as well because he speaks with a slight lisp.
Despite all of that he is still the best swimmer in the world. I found one website that talks about the irony of this. It claims that he is one of the only top athletes you can find with poor (relative) facial growth. The site says that swimming suits him because in swimming the breathing is heavily restricted just by the nature of the sport.
I used to swim, and I know that when you do, you mouth breathe in order to get in enough air quick enough. So maybe Micheal Phelps is simply the best mouth breather in the world because of his unique facial growth?
Just a thought
Guys.
I figured something out.
This is huge.
So I was messing around with the theory of muscle contracture and making muscles shorter instead of just making them stronger. Because of this theory I figured that the gum we chew is probably the wrong thing because it is too tough and focuses too much on making the masseter muscle strong.
So instead I just picked up a large raw carrot and started chewing on it with a pretty rapid pace. I made sure to squeeze REALLY hard with each chew, trying to shorten the muscles as much as possible. After about 20-30 chews, I started to feel a really intense burning (in a good way) feeling right behind my eyes, in the temple area. This was strange to me, because when I chewed the gum before I always felt the burn in my masseter.
So I went online to check what this muscle was and what it does and check this out:
http://www.musclesused.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/TEMPORALIS-MUSCLE.jpg
Look at where it attaches. Right on the jaw.
Right after this intense chewing session (finished the whole carrot, maybe hit 500 chews total I don’t know for sure) I tried to let my jaw hang open and it WOULDN’T HANG OPEN. It involuntarily stayed closed. This tells me we are on the right path.
This makes me think that chewing on crunchy things is > chewing on tough things. Although tough things may still have a place I have a gut feeling that we were focusing on masseter too much and actually making faces longer/jaws more open.
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So because of this I figured we need to learn Anatomy 101 and figure out what the muscles of the face are and what they do. I found a related video but I haven’t watched it yet. I don’t have time right now but I will soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEP4wYX01eo
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I would like it if someone else tried my experiment and let me know how it feels to you and what happens
I don’t think it makes much sense to suggest that the material you’re chewing will affect anything when you consider how humans evolved to use their teeth in a wide variety of ways from chewing to crafting tools.
However, what must matter is how your head is angled when you’re chewing, because the relative position of head towards its body determines the direction of forces needed and therefore the exact muscles involved. And when you try to chew really hard, like you did, you automatically assume anatomically better posture, because it is the one with which you’re able to generate most force.
After chewing your muscles were warmed up and your head was able to rotate straight, which naturally keeps the jaws shut by pushing the neck against the mandible.
Imo what CP wrote in this latest post was pretty much the final solidifying step for Mewing and now there are no groundbreaking discoveries left to be made about its mechanics.
Basically make sure to always keep head in an angle that does the mewing for you and rest is patience.
Posture definitely matters but I am trying to find a way to shorten the correct muscles and also increase their endurance so that mewing is something that just happens naturally without having to use any effort at all.. I believe this will be possible if we learn more about the muscles of the face and figure out how to target the correct ones and shorten+strengthen them and also increase their ability to stay contracted without fatiguing
If we can get to the point where the body ‘mews’ on its own all night overnight without any effort I think changes will start happening very quickly .. in order to do this we have to find out how to ‘work out’ the correct muscles of the face. I think nighttime is the most important time to mew because the body ‘grows’ at night moreso than during the day, I remember reading about this many years ago when I used to be into fitness.
In a nutshell, that is what I am trying to get at.
Your point about this latest CP post being the last step to mewing and that no breakthroughs are coming after this is really insulting and a waste of time. Don’t bring that attitude here, that’s the exact same attitude that orthodontists have that led most of us into these huge problems and it sickens me.
Also, about different chewing materials leading to different results, I can’t say for sure, that’s why I suggested it as an experiment for others to try, because for some reason I did notice a difference.
Makes sense as to why our ancient ancestors had broader, shorter skulls than modern humans. Back then, fruits (as well as vegetables) were naturally more fibrous/crunchy and needed to be chewed a lot, before swallowing. Modern fruits have been bred to be sweeter and more watery, which makes them tastier and softer for chewing
“If we can get to the point where the body ‘mews’ on its own”
That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to express several times now. When you tuck the chin in and lift head high correctly, the body starts to mew on its own. Tongue gets plastered on the roof. Mouth and jaws stay shut. That is the position you want your head to be kept in if you want to keep mewing through the night.
“Don’t bring that attitude here, that’s the exact same attitude that orthodontists have that led most of us into these huge problems and it sickens me.”
Either I wasn’t being clear or you misunderstood me, since I don’t understand how you picked that kind of undertones from my statement. So please let me elaborate:
You’re probably familiar to the scientific method, so you know that practically every process of figuring out a naturally occurring mechanism has a clear end point where the mechanism becomes familiar enough to construct a solid theory about, and confidently confirm, dismiss or extrapolate earlier hypotheses.
What I’m trying to suggest is, if posture ends up being as important to maintaining Mewing as it seems right now, it will be a big step for making Mewing more valid scientifically (because it would show that mewing happens naturally when the body is used correctly), and it seems very unlikely, if not downright impossible, that there would be any major gamechangers in that regard (I’m not trying to predict there WON’T be any).
BUT, this relationship would also make focusing on mewing less important, since mouth posture would become part of a bigger whole, the body posture. Worrying about details (mouth posture) becomes redundant when those details are a naturally occurring byproduct of doing things right on a larger scale (body posture).
So what I meant by the earlier comment was that we have enough knowledge to establish Mewing as a working theory, which means more theorizing is not necessarily required (yet of course not forbidden either)… only evidence and results matter now.
You should of course feel free to deny my statements with clear logic (and if the logic is sound I shall agree with you), but refusing to acknowledge the possibility that the core principles of Mewing are pretty much established by now, without being able to point out why is not very productive.
I can tell by your comment that there is a huge misunderstanding between us, as in, I am talking about one thing, and you are interpreting it to be something else entirely. Nothing in your post follows from what I said earlier, at least not to me.
Therefore I suggest we move on from this conversation because we will never come to any conclusion as long as this misunderstanding persists.
It honestly feels to me like we are speaking different languages. So let us let this rest because I can’t get you to understand me and I can’t really do much more via text than I have already done.
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I have some free time this weekend and I will use it to study the muscles of the face and see if I can push my ideas further.
By the way, when I assume the correct posture, my jaw still hangs open unless I close it, but I noticed after spending a long time chewing on a carrot that it would close on its own, almost like it was connected to a spring. So I want to push this further and understand what is going on because this never happened when I chewed the mastic gum.
That’s why I asked others to try the test I laid out above, but it seems no one has, very sad.
“Makes sense as to why our ancient ancestors had broader, shorter skulls than modern humans. Back then, fruits (as well as vegetables) were naturally more fibrous/crunchy and needed to be chewed a lot, before swallowing. Modern fruits have been bred to be sweeter and more watery, which makes them tastier and softer for chewing”
Yeah that seems very possible, and you’re probably factually right, but the original comment I was replying to was:
“This makes me think that chewing on crunchy things is > chewing on tough things.”
This is what didn’t make sense. Unless you’re constantly stuffing your mouth full of so stupidly large bites that biting on them forces your whole head to an awkward position, how possibly could the crunchiness of what you’re chewing influence the direction your face grows? Especially when every bite none the less generates upwards pressure towards the maxilla?
Not trying to offend, but could details like the texture of what you’re eating really be so crucial to this whole ordeal that one should spend time worrying about them, apart from eating healthy otherwise.
Wouldn’t it be more reasonable to say that just keeping the muscles active and long enough (chewing & posture including mewing) is what really matters?
Somebody’s posture doesn’t go to shit because he sits all day and doesn’t exercise. It goes to shit because he lets the posture muscles shorten. To avoid this, he can either start stretching or stop using his body wrong.
Applying same principles to the facial muscles and bones is already at least half the battle won.
Not at all offended. None of us are experts on this site, but we’re just sharing our ideas and experiences, to see if anything works or not. Just putting my two cents in!
I’ve read a nutritional anthropologist’s book, where the difference between ancient and modern foods, is mentioned. I presume that this is factually correct. In fossilised human stools, there’s evidence of high volumes of tough fibres, and gut flora that’s suited to the digestion of these fibres, barely present in modern humans. Fibrous foods, in their natural state, require more chewing, simply because they are more chewy. Our ancestors mostly ate foods in their natural states, because that’s all that was available to them, and they didn’t expend too much energy, ‘preparing’ foods a whole lot, before eating it.
Today, we ‘prepare’ our foods a lot more, to add variation to our meals. We add liquid to foods that would, otherwise be quite bland, or quite time consuming to eat, because they require more chewing. So, we add milk to all-bran cereals; we turn veggies into soup or smoothies; we cook them so that the fibres are broken down and become softer to eat; we add hot water to noodles; we add gravy to mashed potato etc. If foods are somewhat, ‘pulped’ before you even put them in your mouth, then less chewing time is required. We’ve all heard the saying, ”it barely touched the sides”, referring to something that’s been swallowed quickly, with minimum chewing involved…It’s easier to do this when eating some mashed potato, than when eating raw carrots, or a piece of steak. You’re more likely to choke.
We seem to chew less nowadays. Our foods require less chewing, because we do stuff to them that makes them that way. Less time chewing at mealtimes, is probably more convenient for most people in this fast-paced, modern world. Surely, this impacts on our facial development.
Chewing, helps to develop the mandible, does it not? There is a relationship between correct head posture and the position of the mandible. And, from what I can gather on here, the correct head posture, helps to shorten the muscles which, in turn, shortens the midface. Maybe high biting forces aren’t necessary. But, rather, prolonged chewing sessions during mealtimes, perhaps. My nephew used to live on soft, but gummy sweets as a child, and all that chewing gave him a long mandible. That’s not to say that other factors, such as genetic abnormalities, don’t have an adverse affect on head posture and facial development, regardless of how much you chew. I chewed a lot, too. But, I have a tongue-tie, which hindered correct head posture and facial development. I suppose, what I’m saying is, we need ALL these different, but contributing factors, to be addressed and corrected. There may be more unidentified factors involved, but that’s what we’re all trying to figure out.
You are absolutely right about everything you have posted, but Mike Mew talks about this extensively and has been doing so for many years. We need to push this further than he has and understand the exact muscles that need to be shortened/strengthened in order to make a nice face.
Which muscle holds the jaw up?
Which muscle shortens the midface?
Which muscle broadens the jaw?
Which muscle builds cheekbones?
If any.
That is what I am trying to get at.
That’s why I linked the video above and asked people to do the test, because to me it looks like the temporalis muscle connects right to the jaw and may even be the most important muscle for holding the jaw shut.
But I need to do more research, I need to spend this weekend doing reading and video watching.
I’ll report back later because I don’t think anyone really understands what I am trying to do.
And once we find the correct muscles how do we target them effectively? Is it just as simple as chewing for a long time? Or chewing hard? Or chewing certain things?
Is it just as simple as posture + chewing? Or is there more we can do.
Once we find the correct muscles then we can use info from other areas like athletics and bodybuilding to understand better what to do in order to get optimal results
Everyone knows that you do curls to get big biceps, so how can we extend this simple principle to the face in order to get the results we want?
Why reinvent the wheel? go and see a myofunctional therapist. All my posts have been about muscle and their effect on bone and posture. My kids walk while balancing books on their heads, all their exercises that they do focus on ALL facial muscles and tongue. Isolating muscles and their function Is like trying get six pack abs while only doing crunches. It’s impossible and any trainer will tell you that you need to work the entire body.
Catoo, I haven’t yet forgotten about your advices and ideas, but with respect to this problem, the wheel hasn’t even been invented yet.
We have a bunch of different fields all contributing and detracting in their own way but there’s nothing really solid out there when it comes to self-driven craniofacial development. What’s really possible? What can we achieve? What can we learn?
Even now as I watch the olympics I am noticing that these athletes have similar faces depending on the sports that they play. There has to be some underlying factors that no one has touched or even thought of yet. How can something like a certain physical activity determine your face shape and development (if my observation is correct)? Can a myofunctional therapist explain this? There’s so many possibilities and questions and ideas that come from an observation like this and they need to be explored.
We need to go back to the basics and create a unified theory of craniofacial development to try and understand what is going on in order to learn how to create optimal results for ourselves.
What is muscle? What is bone? How do they coexist? Does body development necessarily lead to cranial development? Why does bone grow? Why doesn’t it grow?
I doubt a therapist can answer these questions.
I’ve got nothing against going to a myofunctional therapist but every doctor i’ve ever been to in my life has made my health worse. Maybe I just live in a terrible area (I do) but it doesn’t matter – what this has done for me is make me self reliant.
Ancient humans didn’t need myofunctional therapists … what’s the real solution here? What’s the reason that myofunctional therapists are NEEDED in the first place?
Anyways these are just some of the things I am trying to get to the bottom of.
Day after day; slowly, very slowly I am starting to regain my health. Thanks to the advice I have follow so far it is getting easier to breathe and eat every day and my sleep is improving, so now I have the energies to try and tackle these big questions, so no going to a therapist isn’t good enough for me.
A – It’s excellent to get to the root cause of any issue. It is why I chose myofunctional therapy for our family. It is a universal law that “cause equals effect” and that is how to go about treating and dealing with any circumstance that arises.
It is why my therapist has many clients that come to her after orthodontics, oral facial and jaw surgeries and with sleep disorders. Because going to a specialist in that field only treats the “symptoms” and not the “root cause” of the problem. The root cause of the problem is poor habits, poor posture, physical disability like tongue tie or birth defect, genetic chromosome defect that causes palate and facial growth defects and *lack of knowledge or desire to change.
The face changes rather quickly under observations and you and others have commented how trying a certain technique made xyz change in the face.
However if the muscle support is not there then change is short lived and face will spring back to original shape/form. Orthodontic results without oral retraining will not last. Surgery results will result in facial meltdown because there is no muscle there to support the results.
The wheel has been invented. There are professionals that do know how facial muscles effect facial growth.
The very definition of myofunctional is “therapy of malocclusion and other dental and speech disorders utilizing muscular exercises of the tongue and lips; most often intended to alter a tongue thrust swallowing pattern.” From http://www.medilexicon.com/medicaldictionary.php?t=91371
Your comment regarding Olympians and their facial structure….. It’s pretty easy to see that during their training that they have different facial expressions. If they do this for hours per day for long periods of time they will gain features that are accentuated by those muscles used to do those expressions. An example of this is the exercise that myofunctional therapy calls “The Surprised Granny”, Canadian Gold medal trampoline winner does this face during her routine.
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/05/03/olympic-bound-rosie-maclennan-jumps-back-into-routine
these facial expressions are done with intensity, repeatedly and they train form, breath and posture = results
Myofunctional therapy treats posture, tongue swallow, airway restriction, sleep patterns, orthodontic issues, dental decay, periodontal disease and breathing with Buteyko exercises. And Buteyko method is not just breathing through nose but a series of exercises to increase your control pause and Lung function.
It’s a pretty holistic program that treats the cause and not the symptom. I don’t have all the answers to your questions regarding biology but I am pretty certain you will be pleased if you made a call to a myofunctional therapist.
A – I did respond but my comment is awaiting moderation.
Hope your test is working.
I’ve been following Mike Mew’s work for a while, so sorry if it sounded like I was preaching to the choir. Yes, chewing is just one piece of the puzzle, so to speak.
Sad really, that many of our lifestyle conditions today, are so far removed from the conditions of our ancestral environment. It’s no wonder we see so many genetic and epigenetic effects, today. Toxins, inadequate nutrition, stress, artificial light which mismatches the circadian rhythm, manmade EMF’s etc. all cause epigenetic effects.
You’re talking about facial musculature- well, EMF’s can cause muscle weakness, directly. That’s why ‘earthing’ is helpful, where you walk barefoot on natural ground, to try and mitigate the effects- as well as trying to avoid unnecessary EMF exposure, obviously. (Actually, barefoot walking is said to help strengthen the feet, which should improve body posture, too).
Perhaps genetics/epigenetics, play a bigger part than we realise. Having googled, ‘midface hypoplasia,’ ‘long philtrum,’ ‘micrognathia,’ ‘high arched palate,’ ‘ptosis,’ etc. it’s apparent that these symptoms can occur with various syndromes, present from birth-way before poor body/oral posture/orthodontics, has had a chance to mess things up. Not all of these syndromes are severe, or come with intellectual and/or physical disability, either.
I don’t know…Perhaps, in the future, it’ll be discovered that cfd, in healthy people, is some sort of genetic thing as opposed to bad posture/habits, but who knows.
Since I can still see my not approved comment I will repost with out the links. It is almost exact points as Danny Dee and L.
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August 14, 2016 at 2:13 am
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A – It’s excellent to get to the root cause of any issue. It is why I chose myofunctional therapy for our family. It is a universal law that “cause equals effect” and that is how to go about treating and dealing with any circumstance that arises.
It is why my therapist has many clients that come to her after orthodontics, oral facial and jaw surgeries and with sleep disorders. Because going to a specialist in that field only treats the “symptoms” and not the “root cause” of the problem. The root cause of the problem is poor habits, poor posture, physical disability like tongue tie or birth defect, genetic chromosome defect that causes palate and facial growth defects and *lack of knowledge or desire to change.
The face changes rather quickly under observations and you and others have commented how trying a certain technique made xyz change in the face.
However if the muscle support is not there then change is short lived and face will spring back to original shape/form. Orthodontic results without oral retraining will not last. Surgery results will result in facial meltdown because there is no muscle there to support the results.
The wheel has been invented. There are professionals that do know how facial muscles effect facial growth.
The very definition of myofunctional is “therapy of malocclusion and other dental and speech disorders utilizing muscular exercises of the tongue and lips; most often intended to alter a tongue thrust swallowing pattern.” From .medilexicon dot com
Your comment regarding Olympians and their facial structure….. It’s pretty easy to see that during their training that they have different facial expressions. If they do this for hours per day for long periods of time they will gain features that are accentuated by those muscles used to do those expressions. An example of this is the exercise that myofunctional therapy calls “The Surprised Granny”, Canadian Gold medal trampoline winner does this face during her routine.
http: // w w w .torontosun dot com/ 2016/ 05/ 03/olympic-bound-rosie-maclennan-jumps-back-into-routine
Just remove spaces
these facial expressions are done with intensity, repeatedly and they train form, breath and posture = results
Myofunctional therapy treats posture, tongue swallow, airway restriction, sleep patterns, orthodontic issues, dental decay, periodontal disease and breathing with Buteyko exercises. And Buteyko method is not just breathing through nose but a series of exercises to increase your control pause and Lung function.
It’s a pretty holistic program that treats the cause and not the symptom. I don’t have all the answers to your questions regarding biology but I am pretty certain you will be pleased if you made a call to a myofunctional therapist.
This might be of relevance/importance to the discussion. Since changing my spinal posture, I can feel my body stay upright even when I’m in bed (as in my body is completely vertical) – this also puts a force on my upper neck, which I’m guessing might just be from the strong muscles. Also, sometimes I go for 30-45 minute walks in the dead of night and it seems as though every step is putting force on my whole spine, because every step sort of “reverberates” on my correct posture, kinda like it’s testing to see if I’m going to stay standing straight up. This feels pretty good in the neck/jaw region, though when taking side view pics last night, my jaw still isn’t very good – I quite like my profile view pics though.
Did you have to change your pillow? I used to sleep on high comfortable pillows but now it’s just a piece of towel folded a few times. When I sleep on my back I keep it supporting the neck just below the occipital area where the neck muscles begins, which helps keeping the neck in full flexion and the head in a position that maintains mewing and keeps the airways more open.
I agree about the profile view. I have a pretty recessed jaw, but even still correct posture makes the whole body look much better than slumping forward head posture. The stare becomes more “hunter”-like without looking like a try hard as the head tilts forward.
Chin looks weaker indeed, but is it that big of a price to pay when it trades for an otherwise functionally looking and feeling body?
I didn’t have to change my pillow, but there’s a difference now, in that before it felt like having 2 pillows on top of each other was bending my neck, but it’s not painful anymore.
Having the upright/healthy body will likely translate into more facial success over time, especially since being upright and pain free already makes you feel better as a whole.
Catoo… there wasn’t a reply button, so I am replying to your statement about reinventing the wheel. I have first hand experience with a myofunctional therapist and they are schooled in Orofacial Myofunctional Disorders of the muscles and functions of the face and mouth. OMDs may affect, directly and/or indirectly, breastfeeding, facial skeletal growth and development, chewing, swallowing, speech, occlusion, temporomandibular joint movement, oral hygiene, stability of orthodontic treatment, facial esthetics, and more. Speaking from exerience, you are spot on with your analogy regarding the six pack and crunches. In my case, all the medical modalities worked together; the doctor that sent me to the physical therapist who sent me to an oral surgeon who sent me to a myofunctinal thereapist. Maybe when A says, “We have a bunch of different fields all contributing and detracting in their own way but there’s nothing really solid out there when it comes to self-driven craniofacial development,” has been the experience of A, but it the exact opposite of my experience. Myofuctional Therapy teaches one how to have “self-driven craniofacial developement.”
Danny Dee It is really encouraging to hear positive experiences. Myfunctional therapy takes work and “self-driven craniofacial development” is what it is. It is not a magic device that you insert in your mouth and viola all problems solved. It is facial exercises performed 15 min, 3x day . Everyday. To do this regularly takes dedication, persistence and commitment. My kids did see results in less time than those Dr. MEw before and after pics. In fact it was 3months of therapy to see the same results.
I also have started with these exercises this month as I have more time now. I was a mouth breather, have tongue tie, long face and receding mandible, however within days of starting these exercises i notice a change in the face. We saw on this site adult before/after myofunctional therapy results. Drastic facial changes in adults can and do happen.
It just takes consistent work.
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
I have nothing but good things to say about myofunctional therapy, it has helped me a lot already.
It will certainly be a huge part of the puzzle, but it is NOT the whole picture.. if it was then everyone who did it would be a model 10/10 looks
they aren’t.
There’s so much more to learn and discover and I really hope that you keep stressing myofunctional therapy because you want me to do it (I am and will do it more) and not because you are trying to hold us all back.
We are just at the beginning of this journey, not at the end. If you want to hop off now then feel free but I will keep pushing forward.
btw, i’ve already made an interesting discovery from going back to the basics, but I need to read and learn more.
Actually one of the discoveries I made just got covered in the new post, the interaction of the neck muscles and the face shape (push/pull)… there are many more discoveries like this waiting to be found.. I encourage everyone to try and help out by doing independent research.
But to rework my last post a bit, I am excited to hear that your family has had amazing results just from training their muscles. I can’t even imagine as a parent how it makes you feel to see what you have been able to do for your children and the happy future that you have provided them with (as opposed to what some of us older people are dealing with)
I agree that doing the therapy is way way better than the alternatives and it sounds like you are seeing great results as well which I am also happy to hear, but I want MORE MORE MORE for myself.
I have done the therapy too and will continue to do more and already have a larger airway (I assume), wider face, better eye shape (canthal tilt), better symmetry, more energy, etc.
But my goal is to know everything, learn everything, have a perfect understanding, have perfect knowledge… I hope you understand.
A… I’m curious as to how are you trying to achieve your goal to know everything, learn everything, and have a perfect understanding and perfect knowledge?
Just going to read and watch everything I can find related to these topics that we have been discussing, along with spending some time thinking about it myself … the idea of actually getting to ‘perfect knowledge’ is one that will probably never happen but setting that as my goal will make it so that sooner or later I will reach a place where I know ‘enough’.
And about reinventing the wheel, let’s drop the analogy of the wheel and just say it plainly, you guys want me to visit a myofunctional therapist instead of having to reinvent the whole profession from scratch when I will probably get things wrong and miss out on important things. I get that and I agree but still.
I looked for myofunctional therapists anywhere near me and they don’t exist. I can drive 5-8 hours to meet the nearest ones near me but i’m not in the mood to do that I just got done flying around the country looking for a good orthodontist and found out that none exists so I decided to take things into my own hands.
So to be honest I probably will have to reinvent that profession with the path I am going down. Just the other day I was thinking about how can we make myofunctional therapy something that happens naturally during day to day activities and I realized that the way you chew can do this for you, meaning that proper chewing technique can work out the tongue very much.
If you chew properly there is a rotary type motion like a cow does when they chew, and the tongue should smash the food up against the palate with each chew and also wipe the food from side to side. With each meal your tongue would get a crazy good workout. My tongue doesn’t do this cause it’s tied and my jaw doesn’t go side to side it goes straight up and down.
Once I realized this I went online to search about it and found that myofunctional therapists are already aware of this and have tests and terminology for these things, so I agree that seeing one could help me but discovering it on my own has its own benefits as well I am sure.
At the same time I have many other similar ideas that I need to explore more fully and sooner or later I will hit on one that hasn’t been thought of before that is useful. This is the path I am on.
Catoo – Any chance you could share what facial exercises you’re talking about?
Do a Youtube search of Myofunctional Therapy Exercises. It doesn’t provide all of them but there are a handful on there.
Catoo… I looked at myofunctional therapy exercises and am impressed with the amount and types of exercises on youtube. It is really a good rersourse if you follow the directions and like you said, you must do the exercises 15 minutes x 3 times a day for best results and your brain will get used to the new information; the mind and body are one. I know this sounds weird, but I had a breathing problem – breathing fast and breathing with my chest instead of my stomach. I was taught the Buteyko method which was a huge help with my posture including my tongue posture. We don’t have to reinvent the wheel, the information has been there all along and that is why are ancestors didn’t have the issues that modern man does.
A,
In an earlier post on 8/15, you stated: “I have nothing but good things to say about myofunctional therapy, it has helped me a lot already.” And on 8/17 you say that “I looked for myofunctional therapists anywhere near me. I can drive 5-8 hours to meet the nearest ones near me” So, have you or have you not seen a myofunciotnal therapist? The first part of the puzzle is that you get checked for tongue tie and if you have it, get treated. And if there isn’t a myofunctional therapist near you, then take Catoo’s advice and go to youtube. It is an great resource for myofunctional exercises. I agree with TDT, bring clear logic because only evidence and results matter.
Jesus christ, why do you keep asking stupid questions and attacking me? You think I don’t know how to use youtube & google to find myo exercises?
I entertained your last question because I want to keep this community flowing so that we can all gain knowledge together but you and others keep using my answers as a platform to attack me. I’ve brought so much energy and life to this website since my time here that you guys obviously don’t deserve.
I’ve realized that I am going to have to leave this community behind.
It really pains me to say that because I want to contribute to the website that has helped me so much this far but if it is full of people like you then I would be ok with not contributing because you don’t deserve my help based on how you have been acting.
You guys are really all such hypocrites. You keep talking about logic, science, and evidence but if you had an ounce of logic within that CFD shrunken brain of yours you would be able to understand my posts and wouldn’t act like such an idiot. If you understood even the basics of science you would understand that that is EXACTLY what I am doing. Do you know what the scientific method is? And as for evidence, where is yours? I clearly asked you to post before/after photos which you ignored. Where’s the evidence for all of the stuff on this site? Sometimes you have to use INTUITION and make EDUCATED GUESSES in order to push things forward. THAT’S WHAT SCIENCE IS. I asked you guys to run an experiment and NO ONE has replied to it or tried it yet
I’m honestly starting to believe that you guys just aren’t smart enough to understand me. I keep CLEARLY stating what I am thinking/doing and you guys keep on using my words against me as if your reading comprehension is at the level of a 3rd grader.
I’ve already made some HUGE discoveries based in hard science and on the basics of anatomy and biology but i’m afraid that I won’t be sharing them with this community because you wouldn’t understand them and instead would just attack me when I presented them.
This is the problem with the internet – everyone gets an equal voice, even when that voice is used to spew absolute garbage. You guys have ruined this website, congrats.
Unfortunately I don’t have the patience of someone like Neymar who was willing to be so kind and generous with you guys after all that you did to him. I’m much more intolerant than that. And so to preserve my own sanity, I will say this:
I’m out.
I’ve unsubscribed from this website so that your words will no longer reach me. Have fun regressing to the mean.
For me personally, I wouldn’t put my looks/health in the hands of a stranger on the internet who bases their knowledge on Intuition and educated guesses; what if that advice makes you less attractive? There isn’t any evidence that you would come out looking better based on the intuition of a stranger on a blog. For me, when someone is name calling, it just shows me the content of their character and then when you are caught in a lie, whatever you have to say isn’t credible. This is another case of throwing out assertions, “I’ve already made some HUGE discoveries based in hard science and on the basics of anatomy and biology,” without clinical studies or scientific data. And why should anyone believe YOU? Good riddance.
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