I have been praying for a few answers, basically what I do is “I live in the questions and allow myself to walk up on the answers”. Sitting in silence and just asking the universe the questions, sitting with the feeling of not knowing and just asking for help whenever these questions arise through out the day. Life has somehow proved this to work time and time again, hindsight shows that many parts of my life is happening as a result of me asking the questions. “ask and you shall receive” heard that somewhere before. Sometimes I am actively seeking the answers but many times answers seem to just fall from the sky when least expected, I find that it is more important to just ask the questions…be in that state of asking, of surrender to the feeling of not knowing, and letting it go. Michael Brown from thepresenceportal.com demonstrates this for anyone willing to try. I’ve read several spiritual/personal development books in the past but Michael Brown’s work, I have to say, is the one thing I find myself coming back to, time and time again. It is one of those books that have indeed impacted me in a lasting way, and has taught me and continues to teach me a lot about life. I am at many times in awe of Michael’s work…
My questions involve this physical restructuring process, basically how can someone that is already an adult and past the growing stages, create new growth patterns in the face so that horizontal growth in triggered to regain some of our genetic potential?
Especially if some of us had allergies, adopted poor swallowing or breathing patterns when we were little which created unfavorable vertical growth when we were growing up?
First question I have been asking is, Is my aquiline nose (or roman nose, or “hook” nose) a result of genetics or is it a result of malformation of the skull? For a long time I thought this was genetic, but recent findings is showing that this may be a function of environmental factors not genetics. Just like how environmental factors can give you small palates and crowding of teeth, but these things have been chucked away and blamed on “genetics” by traditional orthodontists, however now new orthodontics and great work by someone like Weston Price is proving these notions to be false.
Also the chin that appears weak, can the mandible also remodel and reshape towards more ideal shapes once you are an adult that already had too much vertical growth as children?
Just yesterday I found a great interview of Dr. Mike Mew who is son of Dr. John Mew creator of orthotropics (www.orthotropics.com).
You can find the interview here: http://doctorstevenpark.com/expert-interview-dr-michael-mew-on-breathing-the-modern-melting-face
You will have to enter name and email address to get to the interview. Make sure you download the pdf powerpoint slide file to follow along the mp3 interview file.
As I heard the interview it was surreal how Dr. Mike Mew seem to touch upon many if not all of my questions.
- Mandible for the most part remains the same size, the change in positioning of the mandible however can greatly affect the appearance of the chin. From weak vs. strong looking chin.
- If drastic deterioration of the skull can be see in adults from disease such as case with Stephen Hawkings, then there has to be a way to create an opposite effect, to make the skull go in the right direction, towards more ideal in adults as well.
- Aquiline or Roman nose, the history behind it, result of maxilla that is too far back and down.
Dr. Mike Mew and his father’s work is groundbreaking, however they tend to focus on children’s cases, because that is where they are seeing most profound results since children’s faces are still growing and changing all the time.
However, what about for adults? Well this area still seems to be new frontier for many people, for one, there is orthognathic surgery, where a surgeon cuts the bone and places the jaws further forward in the face. Dr. Hang from California seems to have his adult patients do this if necessary.
I am still not sure about this procedure, my hope and wish is to find non-surgical ways to create the same desired changes. Surgery seems to still be coming from the old paradigm of “bones at advance age fuse and do not move.”
This has been proven wrong dramatically by new forms of physical medicine which includes things like (Neuro Cranial Restructuring or Cranial Adjustment Turner Style or Face Pulling)
Where the skull is changing shape even in adults, things like dents and ridges in the head are reversed with these therapies and better cranial symmetry is gained over time. I have seen this personally from my ncr treatments that I do on my self.
And talking with a few people, they mentioned the bones in the skull can be molded like clay, apparently if one was to eat nothing but apples and cooked vegetables for a whole month their whole face would become really mold-able like clay. This is something I have yet to try, and I will need to ask some more info on this, so stay tuned and I will let you know when I find out more about how our diet can aid in the bone remodeling process. For now, I am committing to adding more cooked vegetables to my diet. But this guy mentioned one woman had impacted wisdom teeth, he had her eat nothing but apples for a whole month, some ungodly amount of like 1 apple per hour or something crazy. Inside 1 month apparently her jaw grew length wise and her entire wisdom teeth had popped out.
Anyways, today on Dr. Mike Mew’s facebook page I found this.
Hi there! Nice blog. Just found it via google. It was me who asked Mike that question you reffered to above on facebook. You seem to have many of the same questions and thoughts as I do. I’m also searching for ways to improve my facial structure naturally, without surgery. Btw have you seen this site: http://www.thecranencrp.com/ ?
I’m also curious how eating more cooked fruit as you said above would have the effect of making more room for wisdom teeth? I can see how eating alot of raw apples could do that, because that would increase the amount of chewing. A lack of chewing is one of the reasons our jaws don’t develop to their full genetic potential in the first place. I can see how only living on cooked fruit for a long time could have the effect of weaking the bones by reducing the amount of chewing and also malnourish you at the same time so that the bones would lack the needed vitamins and minerals.
Hi there! Nice blog. Just found it via google. It was me who asked Mike that question you reffered to above on facebook. You seem to have many of the same questions and thoughts as I do. I’m also searching for ways to improve my facial structure naturally, without surgery. Btw have you seen this site: http://www.thecranencrp.com/ ?
I’m also curious how eating more cooked fruit as you said above would have the effect of making more room for wisdom teeth? I can see how eating alot of raw apples could do that, because that would increase the amount of chewing. A lack of chewing is one of the reasons our jaws don’t develop to their full genetic potential in the first place. I can see how only living on cooked fruit for a long time could have the effect of weaking the bones by reducing the amount of chewing and also malnourish you at the same time so that the bones would lack the needed vitamins and minerals.
just started with the crane treatment a week ago. stay tuned for updates on how I progress with it.
I’m glad to see a post on Dr. Mike Mew. I too have been inspired by his post and videos and constantly have been putting my tongue on the roof of my mouth. Although I think your expectations might be a little too high about the effects of proper oral posture and a possibility of significant horizontal growth/movement of the maxilla bone. Now I’m not saying proper oral posture doesn’t matter, we all know that tongue trusting, thumb sucking and other uneven, unnatural mechanical pressure on the teeth can cause malocclusions, but I simple do not believe putting your tongue on top of the roof of your mouth will move the maxilla forward that much. If I was being generous I would predict only a millimeter of horizontal projection after 10 years tops. Mike mew himself even stated in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3owXWaV-I0 that he does not have cold hard evidence to prove that tongue posture can move the maxilla forward in adults. Also, you try to back up your hypothesis that fused bones do can in fact move with pressure applied to the roof of the mouth by stating that Neuro Cranial Restructuring (NCR) has been able to change bones shape. The fact is NCR has been studied on yet and gone through a peer reviewed process, using it as “proof” is not sufficient enough. Many people might also site Wolff’s law, “states that bone in a healthy person or animal will adapt to the loads under which it is placed. If loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading’’ But we must question whether that pressure from the tongue is even that much. The pressure from the tongue pushed up against your mouth will most likely reward the person a millimeter of movement of the maxilla every 10 years, like I stated before. If you truly want maxilla and mandible advancements it is better to just get orthognathic surgery.
I am making comments but it is frustrating because the posts are so old.
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I tried to copy paste photos that prove bone remodeling in the elderly. I am a rare case. A result of 24 porcelain veneers and crowns placed in 2007 at age 57. The posterior molar crowns were all made too small in relation to my anterior maxilla teeth. This created a gap and in order to chew (as explained to me by the only neuromuscular dentist within 200 miles) I unconsciously began shifting my mandible back so that the molars would touch. The movement was gradual and I did not notice anything until around 2014 when I saw my profile in a mirror. It did not look like me. I am busy and avoided looking because it was so painful to see that my jaw had retracted and I looked ugly. I thought it was age which had not bothered me until I saw my profile. I grew up with straight teeth and did not need braces. I did not ever need a root canal and had amalgam fillings in 3 posterior molars which I had replaced with white stuff (resin?) in 1991. My cousin was my dentist for 30 years. There were no problems.
Then my cousin/dentist was diagnosed with a brain tumor and died. Everything changed. I was considering a nicer smile and got hoodwinked into having all my healthy teeth ground into nubs. The cosmetic dentist and I argued and I refused the first set of veneers/crowns before they were placed. We came to an agreement he did not make a wax-up and made his changes only to the anterior maxilla teeth. The result was as I described above. The front teeth looked okay and I never wanted to see him again so went on as usual. I knew nothing about bite alignment. I visited a few other dentists trying to find a replacement for my deceased cousin and quickly became disgusted. This was in 2009 and 2011. The only person that pointed out the misalignment was the technician that took all the photos for one of the dentists. Her name was Cheryl and I am trying to locate her because she took quite a few pictures of the 4 mm gap between my maxilla and mandible. I honestly did not know it meant anything and she did not say “hey, this is a real problem, how can you chew?” She may have been worried about her job if she spoke up. The prominent cosmetic dentist that placed my veneers had been a partner with the dentist she worked for. The ADA actually cautions dentists about criticizing the work of colleagues. Lawyers will gossip and critique another lawyer, but dentists. will keep their mouth shut and even lie to cover the mistakes of a colleague. I went to 9 different dentists in 2017 and only one made a relevant comment about the previous work. He said he knew who did it and that he was sorry this had happened to me.
The point I am trying to make is that I have photos of my teeth and palate from 2009 when my teeth were still straight and my palate mostly normal, in a nice horseshoe shape. Today barely 9 years later my maxilla palate is triangular in shape, my teeth are tipped outward, especially the top front. Well, as I said, it is a 5 mm over jet. I also have TMJ, which is asymmetrical matching my gap which is larger on one side than the other and a scoliotic curve in my spine. A smart aleck handyman in 2014 asked me “Why do you walk around with your head stuck out like a turtle?” I did not know I was doing that. It was all very gradual and sped up in 2015 so that now my skeleton is a mess. I honestly did not understand the connection until recently. I have spent a lot of time reading. The forums are all young people and I feel like I cannot complain because I had good bone structure, body and teeth and was above average attractive for most of my life. I took it for granted. I understand, and my heart breaks when I read posts of young people in their 20’s, self conscious about their looks due to braces. Ten years ago I would not have been able to relate. That is not to say that I would have been judgemental or condescending in any way. I have always been a kind person and do not look at other peoples teeth or clothing or whatever. I do look at my own though and now probably too much.I am just saying that because I had not experienced the feelings I would not have understood. Now I understand the feeling of something not being quite right about my face. It is disorienting. I don’t care about my wrinkles and under eye bags that come when you age, but after 65 years you get used to the way you look.
You accept all the imperfections that give your face character. It is very individual and I miss it. I may even be better looking now. I do not care. I want to look like myself again. I do not recognize this person with a lopsided face and body. And no lower lip. It disappears with my retracted jaw
Back to my point, between 2009 and 2017 my palate narrowed. How could it do that if it was fused? In 2009 I was 59 and now I am 68. Last year at age 67, I, who always had straight teeth that fit together and no problems, was diagnosed with a 5 mm over jet. I have buck teeth. 5 mm is a lot of movement and I was not even aware it was happening.I am trying to make sense of all this and I think that the bone in the middle of my upper palate is more pronounced and it seems to have 2 parallel parts.
Anyway, I am proof that bone can remodel and entirely change the way one looks after, at least, age 57 and most of mine took place after age 65.
My theory is that the deformity could be easily reversed since it only became evident around 2014. Does anyone have any thoughts on this or has anyone ever heard of case of “newly developed malocclusion after age 65”?
I was not clear in my previous post. Everyone discusses bone remodeling in adults without much basis. Dr Singh has made some headway here but not with my age group.
I want to emphasize that I have undeniable PROOF THAT BONE REMODELING TAKES PLACE IN ADULTHOOD AND BECOMES PERMANENT. I have dated dental photos from 2009, AT AGE 59 that show my teeth and palate before they were deformed. I also have a photo of a model made of my palate in 2017. I tried to post the comparison but it did not work. The fact is that my mandible retracted 5 mm during those years. It screwed up my T M joints and now my spine. Without therapy, this is permanent.
I cannot find another case like mine, although I am certain they exist. I think that older adults are attributing the misalignment to age, like I was and remain undiagnosed. I started with a hunch and simply persevered in researching the topic.
Anyway, I posted to give young adults some hope in the face of the controversy. Someone needs to use me as a case study.
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